tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1075932024272546688.post5434572890691918727..comments2024-03-15T05:40:28.017-07:00Comments on teresamerica: Saturday or Sunday Sabbath? A Response To Christopher of Conservative PerspectiveTeresahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16040553825059591114noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1075932024272546688.post-58197890031335906822011-03-30T09:17:01.807-07:002011-03-30T09:17:01.807-07:00I watched both videos. Forerunner is a talented ...I watched both videos. Forerunner is a talented speaker, and his scripturally rich presentation is well-argued. Since that is all Christopher has to say on the subject, presumably he will have no reply to these responses -<br /><br />1. In Colossians, Paul did not qualify his statement about sabbaths, specifying only sabbaths from the ceremonial law of Moses. There was also no qualification in the prophetic text in Hosea Teresa cited. <br /><br />2. The Church began observing the 1st day of the week as their new day of sacrifice (breaking bread) right from the beginning, as the Book of Acts shows. They also ceased to offer the sacrifices of the Old Covenant on Saturday from that very beginning. This had nothing to do with Constantine who would not show up until centuries later. The new sacrifice was on the first day of the week, the Lord's Day, as John calls it in the Book of Revelation.<br /><br />3. Our Lord Jesus promised to be with us always, so that whoever would hear the Church would hear Him, and that to reject the Church's teaching would be the same as rejecting Him and the Father who sent Him. He promised that the gates of hell would not overcome the Church. If the Church had arbitrarily changed the Sabbath against the divine will, that would be just the sort of falling away into universal apostasy that our Lord promised He would never let happen. So it comes down to this - either you believe that our Lord Jesus kept His promise, or you believe that His dropped the ball and ignored his promise for 1,800 years until Ellen Gould White came along and spontaneously understood something that none of the other brilliant and holy people in the interim noticed.Kevin T. Ricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09898239106071716402noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1075932024272546688.post-38605942755602063982011-03-30T08:25:00.093-07:002011-03-30T08:25:00.093-07:00What I meant by the above comment is this - if som...What I meant by the above comment is this - if someone was not raised in the Church, never taught to honor her and does not understand her, that person is not as culpable as one who was raised in the faith but for some personal reason chose to reject it. The latter may not have understood what he was rejecting, but he ought to have, and he is more culpable. We are commanded to KEEP the faith. You can't keep what you never had, but if you had it but didn't keep it, you are not what theologians call "invincibly ignorant". You have some responsibility for losing what God gave you.Teresahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16040553825059591114noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1075932024272546688.post-28685073717417668802011-03-30T06:42:04.345-07:002011-03-30T06:42:04.345-07:00It is a totally different situation for those who ...It is a totally different situation for those who never grew up with Catholicism.Teresahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16040553825059591114noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1075932024272546688.post-84984960734554613252011-03-30T06:39:09.569-07:002011-03-30T06:39:09.569-07:00Christopher,
"You mentioned a certain and r...Christopher, <br /><br />"You mentioned a certain and rather personal, domestic situation which has nothing to do with me or my post, period. Do not project what is happening in you personal life onto me."<br /><br />What??? You are absurd. You have never revealed the reason why you left Christ's Church. It is a fact that you left the Church that Christ founded. The faith didn't leave you. Your accusation is absurd and I am close to... If you don't think that Satan is attacking the Church and that you are buying into the anti-Catholic culture of Today then you are highly deluding yourself. <br /><br />That was an argument? Debate please.Teresahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16040553825059591114noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1075932024272546688.post-7666766453504433002011-03-30T01:50:08.556-07:002011-03-30T01:50:08.556-07:00Here you go. You wish to use Scripture to find wha...Here you go. You wish to use Scripture to find what is not there, well I use Scripture to DEFINE what is there.<br /><br />You say I say I listen man is absurd for if I did I would observe the Sabbath on Sunday.<br /><br />http://www.chroniclewatch.com/2011/02/20/what-law-was-nailed-to-the-cross/<br /><br />Watch both and pay attention as Scripture is cited constantly and this is all I have to say on the matter.<br /><br />Well one more thing, Teresa you insinuated on my blog that I follow Satan and that is uncalled for and am highly offended and disappointed in you. You mentioned a certain and rather personal, domestic situation which has nothing to do with me or my post, period. Do not project what is happening in you personal life onto me.<br /><br />I have been nothing short of Faithful to God and Jesus Christ my ENTIRE life and continue to be so, to say otherwise is not an affront to me but rather to Them.<br /><br />Choose your word's carefully as emotion's cloud judgment.Christopher - Conservative Perspectivehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14102651466203156040noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1075932024272546688.post-23567351594922789682011-03-29T07:36:48.471-07:002011-03-29T07:36:48.471-07:00The post above makes a thorough case. The fact th...The post above makes a thorough case. The fact that Christopher affirms that he has read the whole post makes his failure to offer a refutation of any of its points all the more telling. The criticism that the works quoted are not in scripture is odd (and renders doubtful the claim that he read every word), considering that the first several quotes are all from scripture. The Hosea quote foretells the end of the Old Covenant Sabbaths with no qualification, and the quote fom Colossians has the New Testament fulfillment of that prophecy. Teresa is just following Paul's advice - Let no one judge you with regard to Sabbaths. Christopher insists on judging, but he won't deal with case laid out before him.Kevin T. Ricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09898239106071716402noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1075932024272546688.post-21031320812107174722011-03-29T06:48:35.226-07:002011-03-29T06:48:35.226-07:00"These" Meant to say many of these"These" Meant to say many of theseTeresahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16040553825059591114noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1075932024272546688.post-88455440626128238222011-03-29T05:27:02.372-07:002011-03-29T05:27:02.372-07:00Christopher,
These are taken from the bible so yo...Christopher,<br /><br />These are taken from the bible so you are thus rejecting God's Word. Your the one who is relying on man's word but you are so determined that you are right even when evidence mounts that you are wrong because no matter what Catholicism has to be wrong in your book. I feel sorry for you because you refuse to see the facts.Teresahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16040553825059591114noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1075932024272546688.post-53596911284156570382011-03-29T01:34:22.212-07:002011-03-29T01:34:22.212-07:00I read every word (as I have many times before) an...I read every word (as I have many times before) and yet still no, repeat no, specific or definitive rebuttal to my assertion as I have always maintained there is none in the Holy Bible.<br /><br />You have laid out a wonderful post with a wealth of information and on that I congratulate you and I mean it Teresa, but it lacks the evidence that you purport as "refuting my assertion".<br /><br />People are obviously free to worship God on any given day, I am simply going for accuracy on what day is actually the Sabbath. There are many "writing's" outside of Holy Scripture to back your claim but none within. <br /><br />If Holy Scripture is to be the final say as I believe it is, then the day has not been changed by God, but by man.Christopher - Conservative Perspectivehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14102651466203156040noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1075932024272546688.post-91951048178167513582011-03-28T20:28:47.615-07:002011-03-28T20:28:47.615-07:00Thank you, Opie. Have a great night! God Bless.Thank you, Opie. Have a great night! God Bless.Teresahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16040553825059591114noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1075932024272546688.post-14147806061378701962011-03-28T20:23:34.949-07:002011-03-28T20:23:34.949-07:00I have had questions about this for a long time an...I have had questions about this for a long time and you have explained the Christian tradition quite well.Opus #6https://www.blogger.com/profile/02063785617333740178noreply@blogger.com