Wednesday, October 27, 2010

Second Time Audience Breaks Into Pledge of Allegiance Despite the League of Women Voters Moderator Objecting

For some reason I can't get the video to load so above are two links to the video.

This is the second time that a League of Women Voters moderator has tried to deny the audience from saying the Pledge of Allegiance when requested before a debate.  This is also the second time the audience stood up and said the Pledge, making sure the Pledge would be said, before the debate.  Tim Murphy is actually my Representative and is a conservative.

H/T HotAirPundit


Tony said...

This is abhorrent and obviously a sign that the apocalypse is imminent. If Tim Murphy is your representative, and a supposed conservative, then why did he not request that the Pledge be recited before the event?

On another level perhaps one lone soldier like Mr Murphy cannot be expected to fight against the relentless secular unpatriotic forces, such as the virulently anti-American League of Women Voters, who are rallying against him. With a tear in my eye I realize that he cannot be blamed-- and I'll whisper a prayer for him.

In a more perfect world, the Justice Department would be emboldened to pursue legal action in this flagrant insult to our flag, our republic and our God... but don't expect a Muslim president or his Communist Attorney General to ever investigate this crime appropriately.

Teresa said...


Love the exaggeration and sarcasm! LOL!

Who woulda thunk a spotaneous one minute pledge would get an objection?

Supi said...

It is sad is when the audience has to insist on saying the pledge.

bluepitbull said...

It may be sad that the audience had to initiate, but it speaks volumes about the will of the people.

Liberty said...

I don't understand why the trite recitation of a set of words about a transitory and rather superficial part of our country's history should be an issue. Its a flag. Pledging allegiance to a flag is, to my mind, not really that much of an issue. It reveals little of a person's true feelings- this coming from a person who was ordered to say it, then expected to be tearfully moved by it, but didn't truly understand what the heck she was actually saying. Of course, nowadays, I generally don't say thepledge, especially not in church. I view it as state worship, one step removed from idolatry, and hence not something I, as a follower of Christ, should be doing. ;)

In any case. As one of the posters above stated, it says volumes about the will of the people. I think that, if it matters that much to some people, then they should absolutely insist upon it. There may be some factors we don't know about- perhaps time issues or some such were making those few minutes precious. I know, as I am about to embark into my own debate, that time is short, and things have to proceed quickly or you won't get everything in. :)

Teresa said...

Supi & Bluepitbull,

Yes, it is indeed sad that the audience had to insist on saying the Pledge. The will of the people shines through.

Teresa said...


Pledging allegiance to one's flag and the country it represents shows a sense of respect and honor for one's country. I don't think saying the Pledge out of respect for our country qualifies as idolatry or one step below. If the person held onto the flag all day long, worshiped it, and talked about the flag as being above all other things in life all day long then that IMO would be considered idolatry.

"this coming from a person who was ordered to say it, then expected to be tearfully moved by it, but didn't truly understand what the heck she was actually saying."

Were you ordered to say the Pledge at school?
The tearful part sounds a little weird and that might freak me out too. Your teachers never taught you about the Pledge? That is sad.

I don't think a minute Pledge before a debate is really going to cause a time issue.

Liberty said...

The issue with the pledge being state worship is my own personal belief. I will say it outside church at times, though I still view it as sort of a silly gesture, but will not say it in church, because I view that as supremely disrespectful to God in a place that is supposed to be His house, not the house He has to share with my country. God's family transcends national boundaries, why would a place that is supposed to be dedicated to that family also be promoting national boundaries? Meh. I'm not making much sense here. :P

Since I'm homeschooled no, it wasn't at school. But there was always the push to say it because "This is patriotic." I was taught the words. But never the meaning. I was never told the meaning behind it. I've sort of figured it out in recent years, but I still view it as a mere token gesture. I can say all day long that I love Jesus, but that doesn't mean I'm willing to die for Him and do whatever it takes to further His cause. In the same way, I can say all I want how much I love my country, but that doesn't show any true patriotism on my part. (Of course, since true patriotism is defined as being willing to die for one's country, and since I have a higher calling and firmly believe that the only thing I'd die for is my God...yeah.)


Opus #6 said...

T, nice to see this. Just when I want to get down, the American People pull me up again. We will get through this.

Quite Rightly said...

Like Opus said at her blog, "What is it with the League of Women Voters?"

This time the feeble excuse of the moderator was that repeating the Pledge would take time away from the discussion.

For the people at that meeting, a public reaffirmation of our belief in a country with liberty and justice for all is very much at the heart of the discussion and the reason for the existence of the vote.

@ Liberty. The American flag is a symbol of the ideals of our country and the many sacrifices Americans have been made to preserve unalienable rights. You are young. After you have made serious sacrifices to preserve our freedoms, you'll know why it is important that people honor that symbol.

The hope of the people repeating the Pledge at that meeting is that our American freedoms are preserved long enough for young people like yourself to enjoy them.

Liberty said...

@QuiteRightly- I am of the opinion that actually doing something about the situation and promoting education amongst the voter base will do more to preserve our freedoms than the recitation of a set of words. ;)

cube said...

What in the world is wrong with the Pledge of Allegiance? WHAT? It drives me crazy to think that there are Americans who won't utter these words.

Liberty said...

@cube- the reasoning is different for different people. I often opt not to say it (in church especially) because I am a Christian, and I view it as pledging myself to something besides God, and I don't really want to do that much. Also, as I explained above...I don't see how the rote recitation of a set of words encapsulates my patriotism.

Tony said...

It's sad, sad, sad.

The League of Women Voters is bad, bad, bad.

But the American people make me glad, glad, glad!

And we need to get mad, mad, mad...

So that Patriotism is not just a dying fad, fad, fad.

But I'm still so very sad, sad, sad.

{gag, gag, gag}

John Carey said...

I say bravo America. There comes a time when Americans must be the adults and we're seeing it now. I personally love it!

Pedaling said...

I think we as Americans are going to have to get used to this kind of insisting and standing up and going forward with what is right. We need to be prepared and ready to stand up for our freedoms and for our country!