Monday, April 19, 2010

Freedom From Religion Attacks Freedom Of Religion

Since I couldn't get the embed code to work here are two links to the video:
http://www.citizenlink.org/videofeatures/A000012480.cfm
H/T goes to The Conservative Lady


Judge Crabb spreads her crabbiness across this land, along with her fakakta nature, hostility and disdainfulness to religious freedom is violating the Constitution  while displaying her ignoramity to the history of the United States.

"This is an egregious and revealing decision," Richard Land, president of the Southern Baptist Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission, said. "It shows the brooding hostility toward religion that exists at some levels of federal, state and local government in this country.

The case began in 2008 when the Freedom From Religion Foundation, a Madison-based group of atheists and agnostics, filed a lawsuit against the federal government claiming that the day of prayer violates the separation of church and state.

This charge is Hooey, Complete Hooey!!  Drabby the crabby Judge is full of Hooey!! Anti-Religious fanatic!!!

In 1952, President Truman signed into law a joint resolution of Congress to set aside an annual National Day of Prayer, and Congress amended the law in 1988 to establish a more particular date.


The law reads, "The president shall issue each year a proclamation designating the first Thursday in May as a National Day of Prayer on which the people of the United States may turn to God in prayer and meditation at churches, in groups and as individuals."

The National Day of Prayer Task Force, in a news release April 15, noted that the tradition of designating an official day of prayer actually began with the Continental Congress in 1775, after which President Washington issued a National Day of Thanksgiving Proclamation.

Ever since, the task force said, American presidents have made similar proclamations and "appeals to the Almighty." Historically, all 50 governors, along with presidents, have issued proclamations in honor of the National Day of Prayer. More at BPnews

Judge Crotchety needs to be relievedetey of her duties immediately for impuning both the bench  and good names of contitutionalist judges all across America. Her political chicanery and Leftist activism violates every citizens' FREEDOM OF RELIGION.

On CNS.com Jay Sekulow stated, "It is unfortunate that this court failed to understand that a day set aside for prayer for the country represents a time-honored tradition that embraces the First Amendment, not violates it," said Jay Sekulow, chief counsel of the ACLJ.



"This decision runs counter to well established legal precedent and we're confident that this flawed decision ultimately will be overturned. We will be filing a brief representing members of Congress challenging this federal district court decision in the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Seventh Circuit,” Sekulow said in a statement.

‘If National Day of Prayer Is Unconstitutional, the Constitution Is Unconstitutional’  Are we no longer a nation that values our Christian heritage? Do people want to ignore several years of U.S. history and throw prayer out the window?  This is an attack on religious freedom and our Constitution and everyone who is truly a Christian and for religious rights should be appalled at Judge Crabb's ruling.

Here is a History of The National Day of Prayer




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Let's send Judge Crabb who has her head stuck in the sand in the muddy waters, like a crab stuck in its own shell ignoring both reality and history, a clear message-that this Leftist anti-freedom political activism is unacceptable and we patriots will fight to keep our religious freedom alive in America.

28 comments:

Snarky Basterd said...

Oh, she'll get hers ... when she's heading for what she thinks is the pearly gates and get's Ole Scratch's pitchfork stuck in her ass.

John Carey said...

Activist judges ruining our nation.

TRESTIN MEACHAM said...

I think we we can win this fight, if people will wake up.

Liberty said...

So I still don't understand how this violates anyones' freedom to pray. You can still pray. The government just isn't endorsing it.

Think about it- you don't want government mandating healthcare. You don't want government mandating what's to be done about the economy. But....you want the government mandating religion??? o.0 That sounds...pretty weird.

Also, on a side note...and this is sort of OT...I think calling her names, or talking about how this judge is going to hell isn't right. That is far from a Christian attitude. Very far, IMHO. :)

Teresa said...

Liberty,
It was humor/ satire/sarcasm and not unChristian. Having a little fun.... BTW- I think Judge Crabb's ruling is anti-Christian and as a fellow Christian ( aren't you?) you should understand this ruling is an attack on Christianity and that it harms Christians in the United States.

"But....you want the government mandating religion???"
What specific religion is the government endorsing? Name one. Don't all types of religions pray?

How is the government mandating any religion much less prayer when people of all faiths are freely choosing to gather together at an event?

Liberty said...

Teresa- I was mainly directing my comment at one of the above posters. ;) But in any case...

Yes, I am a Christian. But do I think this is anti-Christian? Not exactly. Like Tragedy brought up on my blog, Christians are supposed to pray in private, not in public. So I would call this more an anti-Pharisee law for Christians than anything else. ;)

"What specific religion is the government endorsing? Name one. Don't all types of religions pray?"

Thought I explained this on my blog, but I'll go over it again. ;)

Government operates in what could be termed a religious vacuum. The elected officials don't- just the government itself, the framework that is our Government. We are not a theocracy, nor are we a completely secular state. The people can influence, in some way, how the Government views religion- for instance, if we had another Great Awakening, the elected officials within the Government would most likely swing towards Christianity as well, giving us a more...well, a slightly less free state all around, but one that would probably more accurately reflect the current climate in the States.

Overall however, the Government is entirely immune to religion. It acknowledges religion. It knows of religion, if you will, but it does not openly endorse nor reject religion in general. Thus, it lives in a state of nothingness in between secular and religious expression. It is neither: a new state has been created for Government to abide in, a perfect vacuum I guess you could call it.

Hence, to my mind, government cannot endorse religion in particular nor religion in general.

I have no problem with people of all faiths getting together and praying. But (and I've never been to a NDP event) it often seems like it's a mere Christian event, not one that people of "every faith" can come and enjoy. Just look at the "official" National Day of Prayer website- http://nationaldayofprayer.org/
Or your own insistence that this protects/upholds/acknowledges our "Judeo-Christian roots" (BTW, there's really no such thing, but that's another debate. ;))
Furthermore, even the law passed by Congress itself says that the day of prayer is to be set aside to pray to "God". Not to "god", not to "a god", not to "whatever diety you happen to ascribe to." To "God." Capital G, indicating the Christian God, making this an acknowledgement of said God. Just thought I'd bring that up. ;)

Anyway, this is growing ginormous and I have to go make breakfast for five very hungry kids, so I'll let you go and stop talking...er...typing your ears off. :P

Shaw Kenawe said...

Having the Federal Government promote a "National Day of Prayer," makes it favor and establish special privilege toward religious people over non-religious people--the Constitution prohibits this.

Why can't the people who organize the NDP do so without involving the Government? As someone else noted on this thread, so many people are outraged over the government intruding in our lives, but at the same time have no problem with the government endorsing and promoting people's private religious beliefs.

If you want the government to endorse a National Day of Prayer, you'll have to be prepared for non-religious people to petition the government to promote a National Godless Day.

Being a religious majority doesn't, under our secular Constitution, bestow any special privileges to Christians.

This country was founded by men who were Christian/Deists, but its laws are based on the Constitution where it is "We the people..." who promulgated the rights contained therein.

The Christian God is not anywhere in our Constitution--it is a secular document.

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The Conservative Lady said...

Hi Teresa:
It was me who delete the 2 previous comments. The video from CitizenLink is working on your blog. I tried to send the link for the video, but it didn't work. Here's the link to their website where you can get the embed code:

http://www.citizenlink.org/videofeatures/A000012480.cfm

Your post is great. Giving the background of the lawsuit really helps people understand what's going on.
Thanks for the link love BTW.

The Conservative Lady said...

Sorry...I meant the video isn't working on your blog. Geeez....

Teresa said...

The Conservative Lady,
Thanks so much for the link for the embed code.

Don't worry.... I got it.

Teresa said...

Shaw Kenawe,
Thank you for stopping by and commenting.

Teresa said...

The Conservative Lady,
I tried the embed code and for some reason it isn't working. For now I will just link to to yours and citizenlink.org.

Teresa said...

Liberty,

"Overall however, the Government is entirely immune to religion. It acknowledges religion."

A National day of prayer doesn't even do this. The government isn't choosing one religion over another.

"Hence, to my mind, government cannot endorse religion in particular nor religion in general."

What specific religion is the National day of Prayer endorsing? Where does it say that Muslims are not welcome? That Hindus are not welcome? Jews are not welcome? Christianity consists of a broad spectrum of religions and having the National Day of Prayer does not endorse one particular sect of Christianity over another.

"Furthermore, even the law passed by Congress itself says that the day of prayer is to be set aside to pray to "God". Not to "god", not to "a god", not to "whatever diety you happen to ascribe to." To "God.""

That is aplitting hairs and being nitpicky.

God is God, no matter what religion is referring to God.

Teresa said...

Shaw,
"Having the Federal Government promote a "National Day of Prayer," makes it favor and establish special privilege toward religious people over non-religious people--the Constitution prohibits this."

The government is not promoting prayer but recognizing one day out of the year where people from all faiths can come together.

"If you want the government to endorse a National Day of Prayer, you'll have to be prepared for non-religious people to petition the government to promote a National Godless Day."

This I have no problem with. As long as people don't trample on my freedom of religion and the rights of people to gather and pray with the President once a year than go for it- promote a Godless Day.

"prohibiting the free exercise thereof"

This is what Judge Crabb is attempting to do- to squelch freedom of religion and the free exercise for people of all faiths to gather once a year. If this can be taken away then no place in our society is safeguarded as being free to exercise religion and gather in public for fear of God forbid, offending anyone. Atheists or agnostics do not have to take part in this Day of Prayer and are not being harmed as Judge Crabb suggested. We are forcing anyone to pray who doesn't want to.

This country was founded by men who were Christian/Deists, but its laws are based on the Constitution where it is "We the people..." who promulgated the rights contained therein.
Both Deists and Christians believed in God and prayer. Deists didn't believe is such things as Revelation or miracles but that is much like the different religious sects today.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion"

This means that Congress may not have the government become a Theocracy and denote one religion such as Islam or the Lutheran Church run the govrnment. The National Day of Prayer does not establish one specific religion to run our government.

Teresa said...

Shaw,
"We are forcing anyone to pray who doesn't want to."

Made a typing error- We are not forcing anyone to pray or observe the Day of Prayer at all.

Its just like having Christmas on the Calendar.

Fuzzy Slippers said...

This is just leftie pettiness, sort of like when they objected to moments of silence in schools because YIKES! someone might actually pray during that time.

I didn't even know we HAD a national day of prayer, so it's obviously not something that is being forced on anyone (I tend to pray every day, just don't tell anyone on the left!).

Teresa said...

Snarky,
She'll be really heated "down there".

Liberty said...

Teresa- "A National day of prayer doesn't even do this. The government isn't choosing one religion over another."

You need to go reread my comment. ;)

I still do not understand one thing-
You do not want the government mandating healthcare. You do not want government telling you how to spend your money. You don't want government mandating what to do with the economy.

So...why do you want government telling us when to pray??

Furthermore, how does this ruling infringe on the freedom of religion? No one is keeping you from praying, even in public. No rights are infringed, no great decision has been made...except that the government cannot acknowledge religion in such a way.

Teresa said...

John,
You got that right.

Teresa said...

Trestin,
I do too.

Liberty said...

Fuzzy- I'm neither liberal nor athiest, and I agree with Judge Crabb's ruling. I also pray every day, and enjoy every minute of it. :)

Teresa said...

Fuzzy,
I agree. This is Leftie pettiness.

Fuzzy Slippers said...

@ Liberty, um, okay, that's nice. (No idea why you're responding to me, but then, I've not read all the comments here . . . ).

Teresa said...

Liberty,
You are confusing religion with prayer. Yes, they are connected, but suggesting or honoring a Day of Prayer doesn't mean that they are endorsing any one religion, or even endorsing prayer. It is merely a recognition or a suggestion.

Should Christmas, Ramadan, Passover and other holidays that are derived from Holy Days no longer be observed? They are religious and observe prayer.


"So...why do you want government telling us when to pray??"

The government is NOT MANDATING prayer at all. It is a suggestion. Maybe you don't see the light because this doesn't affect you and your prayer, but it does affect the many who gather each year, once a year, and this ruling denies these people the right to freely exercise together once a year.


It is obvious you have no understanding of this nation's religious heritage, since our nation's birth there has been a pattern of the government over and over again praying and calling on citizens to pray.

I am trying to grasp this: How could a true Christian be against The National Day of Prayer and thus be bowing to the Left's intolerance of prayer, period? ;)

Liberty said...

"You are confusing religion with prayer. Yes, they are connected, but suggesting or honoring a Day of Prayer doesn't mean that they are endorsing any one religion, or even endorsing prayer. It is merely a recognition or a suggestion."

And...why do we want government recognizing or suggesting prayer again?

I'm sorry, but I just don't see the impetus behind this. That isn't their job. Recognizing religion/prayer/religious traditions isn't their job. Their job is outlined in the Constitution, and I don't see a single thing about "recognizing" prayer.

"Should Christmas, Ramadan, Passover and other holidays that are derived from Holy Days no longer be observed? They are religious and observe prayer."

The only one of those holidays that is recognized by the government as a national holiday is Christmas. Christmas is so disconnected from religion nowadays that it doesn't really count as a religious holiday in any case, so...

"The government is NOT MANDATING prayer at all. It is a suggestion. Maybe you don't see the light because this doesn't affect you and your prayer, but it does affect the many who gather each year, once a year, and this ruling denies these people the right to freely exercise together once a year"

No it doesn't. You can come together and pray if you want. More power to you. All this ruling does is say that the government cannot acknowledge/mandate/suggest/recognize religious expression.

" am trying to grasp this: How could a true Christian be against The National Day of Prayer and thus be bowing to the Left's intolerance of prayer, period? ;)"

Please do not cast aspersions upon my relationship with God. I don't appreciate it very much.

I assure you that I am a Christian, very much so. However, I don't want government getting involved with my religion or prayer. Period.

Teresa said...

Liberty,
"Please do not cast aspersions upon my relationship with God. I don't appreciate it very much."

I apologize. Aspersions aside can't you help me understand?

"However, I don't want government getting involved with my religion or prayer. Period."

How is the government getting involved in either your religion or your prayer?

"I'm sorry, but I just don't see the impetus behind this. That isn't their job. Recognizing religion/prayer/religious traditions isn't their job. Their job is outlined in the Constitution, and I don't see a single thing about "recognizing" prayer."

The government has recognized prayer since the beginning of its inception.

"The only one of those holidays that is recognized by the government as a national holiday is Christmas. Christmas is so disconnected from religion nowadays that it doesn't really count as a religious holiday in any case, so..."

This is absurd. Christmas is still the recognition of the birth of Jesus and not some secular holiday.
On what Constitutional basis can our government recognize Christmas but not recognize The National Day of Prayer?

"All this ruling does is say that the government cannot acknowledge/mandate/suggest/recognize religious expression."

Minus the madate part, why is any of the rest unconsitutional?

Our Founders did not mean for this to be a purely secualrist government. They only wanted to avoid a Theocratic State.