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So, all the filth within the Church and heresy should have just stayed and not been removed?
Do you agree that San Francisco and Boston are beds of liberalism?
Do you think that the likes of Joe Biden and Nancy Pelosi follow the principles of the Catholic Church or are promoting policies that are diametrically opposed or trying to undermine Church Tradition and the Church's authority? Or policies of heresy (abortion rights etc.)within the Church?
Part of the problem is that the MSM are advocating for the same types of things or are on the same side of the issues that heretical Catholics like that of Nancy Pelosi et al. who are promoting such things like contraception, homosexual marriage and abortion. In most cases, the majority of priest sex abuse occurred in liberal cities and the priests were promoting heresy, liberal policies, and going against Church Teaching.
Ok, this guy sounds just like an Hussein apologist "Not my fault, I just work here"
If a faithful person has been fighting against heresy and liberal policies which have been promoted by some Bishops and the laity over many, many years to undermine Church Teaching and Church Tradition and these Bishops and laity have aided in those heresies and liberal policies why would it be that person's problem since he fought against those heretical policies?
The Pope can really only either defrock or laicize a priest and accept their resignation.
Here is some information on Bishop Roger Vangheluwe. This article was written before the Pope talked about the rod being used within the Church and removing the filth.
Everything you ask of me is inquansequential to be honest.
But hey in the spirit...
"So, all the filth within the Church and heresy should have just stayed and not been removed?
Do you agree that"
YES
"Do you think that the likes of Joe Biden and Nancy Pelosi follow the principles of the Catholic Church or are promoting policies that are diametrically opposed or trying to undermine Church Tradition and the Church's authority? Or policies of heresy (abortion rights etc.)within the Church?"
ABSOLOUTELY, IT DEFINES MY OPPOSITION!
"Part of the problem is that the MSM are advocating for the same types of things or are on the same side of the issues that heretical Catholics like that of Nancy Pelosi et al."
Umm, Teresa you are speaking my language here.
BACK TO ME I could go on and on to tear apart the Vatican as it stands but that is neither my gaol or wish yet my wish is that the Vatican return to it's absolute founding.
Teresa, I call you a friend because you are honest,let me be the same.
I found nothing but disinformation not disimilar from any White House or for that matter the Kremlim.
I respect you but also say these atrocities must be answered and now or otherwise the Church will fall.
Look,as a Christian myself and former Catholic I would take no pleasure whatsoever in that but must warn that it is inevitible lest the shit be cleaned-up!
No, not all are to be blamed but it is the Church that takes the hit and for the long-term.
Tell me please why we demonize moslems for apparent attrocities yet ignore those committed by "members" of the Church?
That question is provacative and cannot be answered honestly,don't try!
Teresa, Maybe you can explain this blind faith to a body politic (they are elected and appointed) that itself deems it religious.
Trust me when I say I was raised as such and know of what I speak.
It is not my desire to tear the Church down but rather to raise it up and as in politics that can only, repeat only, be dome with true and real-time TRANSPARENCY.
Chris, Don't know why blogger didn't publish your comments. They came in my inbox but didn't publish to the comments page on my blog.
Your previous words are incompatible with this remark-- "It is not my desire to tear the Church down but rather to raise it up and as in politics that can only, repeat only, be dome with true and real-time TRANSPARENCY."
Your words seem like they want to drive a stake through the heart of the Catholic Church, tear it down, even the faithful Catholics down, and all of the faithful Tradition of the Church, and are not simply meant to help rid the filth and all the corruption in the Church.
You have to understand that the Bishops in the Dioceses are the only ones that have the authority to request for priests to resign or be laicized or defrock the priests.
But, you are also discountng and willfully refusing to give the Church any miniscule amount of credit for any good thing that they have done to stop the abuse. And, there has been many things the Church has done to address and stop the priest sex abuse issue since the whole priest abuse scandals were made public. And, many of the things that have been instituted to stop abuse and handle abusive priests is because of Pope Benedict's efforts to rid the filth in the Church.
Teresa, I have for many years debated not only my dad (a true Catholic) but also my Great Uncle who happened to be not only a Roman Catholic Priest and Pastor let alone a Canadian Chaplin and to top that all off if possibe he was a real (schooled) Theolegion.
When I speak on this subject I have no choice in honor Those men as no matter what they said, they demanded honesty out of me.
"Do you think that the likes of Joe Biden and Nancy Pelosi follow the principles of the Catholic Church or are promoting policies that are diametrically opposed or trying to undermine Church Tradition and the Church's authority? Or policies of heresy (abortion rights etc.)within the Church?" "ABSOLOUTELY, IT DEFINES MY OPPOSITION!"
This is exactly where you veer off course and define the Catholic Church according to its heretics and not by Catholic Tradition. Pelosi and Biden are promoting a distorted version of catholicism- a false form- one that doesn't exist according to Church Tradition. The likes of Pelosi only want to tear the Church down from within. They are not adhering to the principles of the Catholic Church.
I wholeheartedy agree with you that these atrocities must be answered for.
"Tell me please why we demonize moslems for apparent attrocities yet ignore those committed by "members" of the Church?"
They are not being ignored. Please provide evidence on how these atrocities are being ignored. Because I can provide much evidence to the contrary that shows what steps the Church has taken to address the priest abuse scandal.
How can you claim to know of a Church or faith which you are no longer a member of? You have clearly fallen away from the Church and Catholic faith so for you to claim you know of what you speak is absurd. When and only when you return to the Church, help the faithful clear out the filth, help return the Church and its members to following Church Tradition, working to reform it from within and are not merely criticizing everything that the Church does from the outside then you will have a leg to stand on with your claim.
I'm having issues with comments posting. This is posted from Chris: Teresa,
Everything you ask of me is inquansequential to be honest.
But hey in the spirit...
"So, all the filth within the Church and heresy should have just stayed and not been removed?
Do you agree that"
YES
"Do you think that the likes of Joe Biden and Nancy Pelosi follow the principles of the Catholic Church or are promoting policies that are diametrically opposed or trying to undermine Church Tradition and the Church's authority? Or policies of heresy (abortion rights etc.)within the Church?"
ABSOLOUTELY, IT DEFINES MY OPPOSITION!
"Part of the problem is that the MSM are advocating for the same types of things or are on the same side of the issues that heretical Catholics like that of Nancy Pelosi et al."
Umm, Teresa you are speaking my language here.
BACK TO ME I could go on and on to tear apart the Vatican as it stands but that is neither my gaol or wish yet my wish is that the Vatican return to it's absolute founding.
Teresa, I call you a friend because you are honest,let me be the same.
I found nothing but disinformation not disimilar from any White House or for that matter the Kremlim.
I respect you but also say these atrocities must be answered and now or otherwise the Church will fall.
Look,as a Christian myself and former Catholic I would take no pleasure whatsoever in that but must warn that it is inevitible lest the shit be cleaned-up!
No, not all are to be blamed but it is the Church that takes the hit and for the long-term.
Tell me please why we demonize moslems for apparent attrocities yet ignore those committed by "members" of the Church?
That question is provacative and cannot be answered honestly,don't try!
Teresa, Maybe you can explain this blind faith to a body politic (they are elected and appointed) that itself deems it religious.
Trust me when I say I was raised as such and know of what I speak.
It is not my desire to tear the Church down but rather to raise it up and as in politics that can only, repeat only, be dome with true and real-time TRANSPARENCY.
Chris, Don't know why blogger didn't publish your comments. They came in my inbox but didn't publish to the comments page on my blog.
Your previous words are incompatible with this remark-- "It is not my desire to tear the Church down but rather to raise it up and as in politics that can only, repeat only, be dome with true and real-time TRANSPARENCY."
Your words seem like they want to drive a stake through the heart of the Catholic Church, tear it down, even the faithful Catholics down, and all of the Tradition of the Church, and are not simply meant to help rid the filth and all the corruption in the Church.
You have to understand that the Bishops in the Dioceses are the only ones that have the authority to request for priests to resign or be laicized or defrock the priests.
But, you are also discountng and willfully refusing to give the Church any miniscule amount of credit for any good thing that they have done to stop the abuse. And, there has been many things the Church has done to address and stop the priest sex abuse issue since the whole priest abuse scandals were made public. And, many of the things that have been instituted to stop abuse and handle abusive priests is because of Pope Benedict's efforts to rid the filth in the Church.
"Do you think that the likes of Joe Biden and Nancy Pelosi follow the principles of the Catholic Church or are promoting policies that are diametrically opposed or trying to undermine Church Tradition and the Church's authority? Or policies of heresy (abortion rights etc.)within the Church?" "ABSOLOUTELY, IT DEFINES MY OPPOSITION!"
This is exactly where you veer off course and define the Catholic Church according to its heretics and not by Catholic Tradition. Pelosi and Biden are promoting a distorted version of catholicism- a false form- one that doesn't exist according to Church Tradition. The likes of Pelosi only want to tear the Church down from within. They are not adhering to the principles of the Catholic Church.
I wholeheartedy agree with you that these atrocities must be answered for.
"Tell me please why we demonize moslems for apparent attrocities yet ignore those committed by "members" of the Church?"
They are not being ignored. Please provide evidence on how these atrocities are being ignored. Because I can provide much evidence to the contrary that shows what steps the Church has taken to address the priest abuse scandal.
How can you claim to know of a Church or faith which you are no longer a member of? You have clearly fallen away from the Church and Catholic faith so for you to claim you know of what you speak is absurd. When and only when you return to the Church, help the faithful clear out the filth, help return the Church and its members to following Church Tradition, working to reform it from within and are not merely criticizing everything that the Church does from the outside then you will have a leg to stand on with your claim.
Chris said-Ok , then why fr decades have they refused?
Teresa, I have for many years debated not only my dad (a true Catholic) but also my Great Uncle who happened to be not only a Roman Catholic Priest and Pastor let alone a Canadian Chaplin and to top that all off if possibe he was a real (schooled) Theolegion.
When I speak on this subject I have no choice in honor Those men as no matter what they said, they demanded honesty out of me.
19 comments:
Alright Teresa , you drew me in,,
First off the Roman Catholic Church is not, repeat NOT the end-all,be-all of true Christianity.
I will not nor ever have claimed where that seat belomgs but know exactly to Whom it does and He took a human form yet not human.
Since you have a format that is impossible to disect such a video I retain the right to return.
"A fitting conclusion"
As much as I would hate to quote Rev. Wright; No, No ,No!
Ok, this guy sounds just like an Hussein apologist "Not my fault, I just work here"
Backstep: 'Open Rebellion'?
How about keeping with the faith?
Naive? You have to be kidding?!? This is decades old!!!!
The speaker is no more or less a hired 'czar' for the current Vatican regime and just like the Washington one is not to be trusted.
Just my opinion and perspective as one who grew-up in yhr Roman Catholic Tradition.
Chris,
"A fitting conclusion"
So, all the filth within the Church and heresy should have just stayed and not been removed?
Do you agree that San Francisco and Boston are beds of liberalism?
Do you think that the likes of Joe Biden and Nancy Pelosi follow the principles of the Catholic Church or are promoting policies that are diametrically opposed or trying to undermine Church Tradition and the Church's authority? Or policies of heresy (abortion rights etc.)within the Church?
Part of the problem is that the MSM are advocating for the same types of things or are on the same side of the issues that heretical Catholics like that of Nancy Pelosi et al. who are promoting such things like contraception, homosexual marriage and abortion. In most cases, the majority of priest sex abuse occurred in liberal cities and the priests were promoting heresy, liberal policies, and going against Church Teaching.
Ok, this guy sounds just like an Hussein apologist "Not my fault, I just work here"
If a faithful person has been fighting against heresy and liberal policies which have been promoted by some Bishops and the laity over many, many years to undermine Church Teaching and Church Tradition and these Bishops and laity have aided in those heresies and liberal policies why would it be that person's problem since he fought against those heretical policies?
The Pope can really only either defrock or laicize a priest and accept their resignation.
Here is some information on Bishop Roger Vangheluwe. This article was written before the Pope talked about the rod being used within the Church and removing the filth.
http://www.aolnews.com/world/article/belgium-bishop-roger-vangheluwe-resigns-after-admitting-sex-abuse/19452001
Teresa,
Everything you ask of me is inquansequential to be honest.
But hey in the spirit...
"So, all the filth within the Church and heresy should have just stayed and not been removed?
Do you agree that"
YES
"Do you think that the likes of Joe Biden and Nancy Pelosi follow the principles of the Catholic Church or are promoting policies that are diametrically opposed or trying to undermine Church Tradition and the Church's authority? Or policies of heresy (abortion rights etc.)within the Church?"
ABSOLOUTELY, IT DEFINES MY OPPOSITION!
"Part of the problem is that the MSM are advocating for the same types of things or are on the same side of the issues that heretical Catholics like that of Nancy Pelosi et al."
Umm, Teresa you are speaking my language here.
BACK TO ME
I could go on and on to tear apart the Vatican as it stands but that is neither my gaol or wish yet my wish is that the Vatican return to it's absolute founding.
Teresa, I call you a friend because you are honest,let me be the same.
I found nothing but disinformation not disimilar from any White House or for that matter the Kremlim.
I respect you but also say these atrocities must be answered and now or otherwise the Church will fall.
Look,as a Christian myself and former Catholic I would take no pleasure whatsoever in that but must warn that it is inevitible lest the shit be cleaned-up!
No, not all are to be blamed but it is the Church that takes the hit and for the long-term.
Tell me please why we demonize moslems for apparent attrocities yet ignore those committed by "members" of the Church?
That question is provacative and cannot be answered honestly,don't try!
Teresa, Maybe you can explain this blind faith to a body politic (they are elected and appointed) that itself deems it religious.
Trust me when I say I was raised as such and know of what I speak.
It is not my desire to tear the Church down but rather to raise it up and as in politics that can only, repeat only, be dome with true and real-time TRANSPARENCY.
Chris,
Don't know why blogger didn't publish your comments. They came in my inbox but didn't publish to the comments page on my blog.
Your previous words are incompatible with this remark-- "It is not my desire to tear the Church down but rather to raise it up and as in politics that can only, repeat only, be dome with true and real-time TRANSPARENCY."
Your words seem like they want to drive a stake through the heart of the Catholic Church, tear it down, even the faithful Catholics down, and all of the faithful Tradition of the Church, and are not simply meant to help rid the filth and all the corruption in the Church.
You have to understand that the Bishops in the Dioceses are the only ones that have the authority to request for priests to resign or be laicized or defrock the priests.
But, you are also discountng and willfully refusing to give the Church any miniscule amount of credit for any good thing that they have done to stop the abuse. And, there has been many things the Church has done to address and stop the priest sex abuse issue since the whole priest abuse scandals were made public. And, many of the things that have been instituted to stop abuse and handle abusive priests is because of Pope Benedict's efforts to rid the filth in the Church.
Ok , then why fr decades have they refused?
Teresa, I have for many years debated not only my dad (a true Catholic) but also my Great Uncle who happened to be not only a Roman Catholic Priest and Pastor let alone a Canadian Chaplin and to top that all off if possibe he was a real (schooled) Theolegion.
When I speak on this subject I have no choice in honor Those men as no matter what they said, they demanded honesty out of me.
I w3iil not dissapoint them.
"Do you think that the likes of Joe Biden and Nancy Pelosi follow the principles of the Catholic Church or are promoting policies that are diametrically opposed or trying to undermine Church Tradition and the Church's authority? Or policies of heresy (abortion rights etc.)within the Church?"
"ABSOLOUTELY, IT DEFINES MY OPPOSITION!"
This is exactly where you veer off course and define the Catholic Church according to its heretics and not by Catholic Tradition. Pelosi and Biden are promoting a distorted version of catholicism- a false form- one that doesn't exist according to Church Tradition. The likes of Pelosi only want to tear the Church down from within. They are not adhering to the principles of the Catholic Church.
I wholeheartedy agree with you that these atrocities must be answered for.
"Tell me please why we demonize moslems for apparent attrocities yet ignore those committed by "members" of the Church?"
They are not being ignored. Please provide evidence on how these atrocities are being ignored. Because I can provide much evidence to the contrary that shows what steps the Church has taken to address the priest abuse scandal.
How can you claim to know of a Church or faith which you are no longer a member of? You have clearly fallen away from the Church and Catholic faith so for you to claim you know of what you speak is absurd. When and only when you return to the Church, help the faithful clear out the filth, help return the Church and its members to following Church Tradition, working to reform it from within and are not merely criticizing everything that the Church does from the outside then you will have a leg to stand on with your claim.
Chris,
You can try and post your comments again. I don't know why the comments aren't posting. Or, I can post them.
I'm having issues with comments posting.
This is posted from Chris:
Teresa,
Everything you ask of me is inquansequential to be honest.
But hey in the spirit...
"So, all the filth within the Church and heresy should have just stayed and not been removed?
Do you agree that"
YES
"Do you think that the likes of Joe Biden and Nancy Pelosi follow the principles of the Catholic Church or are promoting policies that are diametrically opposed or trying to undermine Church Tradition and the Church's authority? Or policies of heresy (abortion rights etc.)within the Church?"
ABSOLOUTELY, IT DEFINES MY OPPOSITION!
"Part of the problem is that the MSM are advocating for the same types of things or are on the same side of the issues that heretical Catholics like that of Nancy Pelosi et al."
Umm, Teresa you are speaking my language here.
BACK TO ME
I could go on and on to tear apart the Vatican as it stands but that is neither my gaol or wish yet my wish is that the Vatican return to it's absolute founding.
Teresa, I call you a friend because you are honest,let me be the same.
I found nothing but disinformation not disimilar from any White House or for that matter the Kremlim.
I respect you but also say these atrocities must be answered and now or otherwise the Church will fall.
Look,as a Christian myself and former Catholic I would take no pleasure whatsoever in that but must warn that it is inevitible lest the shit be cleaned-up!
No, not all are to be blamed but it is the Church that takes the hit and for the long-term.
Tell me please why we demonize moslems for apparent attrocities yet ignore those committed by "members" of the Church?
That question is provacative and cannot be answered honestly,don't try!
Teresa, Maybe you can explain this blind faith to a body politic (they are elected and appointed) that itself deems it religious.
Trust me when I say I was raised as such and know of what I speak.
It is not my desire to tear the Church down but rather to raise it up and as in politics that can only, repeat only, be dome with true and real-time TRANSPARENCY.
Chris,
Don't know why blogger didn't publish your comments. They came in my inbox but didn't publish to the comments page on my blog.
Your previous words are incompatible with this remark-- "It is not my desire to tear the Church down but rather to raise it up and as in politics that can only, repeat only, be dome with true and real-time TRANSPARENCY."
Your words seem like they want to drive a stake through the heart of the Catholic Church, tear it down, even the faithful Catholics down, and all of the Tradition of the Church, and are not simply meant to help rid the filth and all the corruption in the Church.
You have to understand that the Bishops in the Dioceses are the only ones that have the authority to request for priests to resign or be laicized or defrock the priests.
But, you are also discountng and willfully refusing to give the Church any miniscule amount of credit for any good thing that they have done to stop the abuse. And, there has been many things the Church has done to address and stop the priest sex abuse issue since the whole priest abuse scandals were made public. And, many of the things that have been instituted to stop abuse and handle abusive priests is because of Pope Benedict's efforts to rid the filth in the Church.
"Do you think that the likes of Joe Biden and Nancy Pelosi follow the principles of the Catholic Church or are promoting policies that are diametrically opposed or trying to undermine Church Tradition and the Church's authority? Or policies of heresy (abortion rights etc.)within the Church?"
"ABSOLOUTELY, IT DEFINES MY OPPOSITION!"
This is exactly where you veer off course and define the Catholic Church according to its heretics and not by Catholic Tradition. Pelosi and Biden are promoting a distorted version of catholicism- a false form- one that doesn't exist according to Church Tradition. The likes of Pelosi only want to tear the Church down from within. They are not adhering to the principles of the Catholic Church.
I wholeheartedy agree with you that these atrocities must be answered for.
"Tell me please why we demonize moslems for apparent attrocities yet ignore those committed by "members" of the Church?"
They are not being ignored. Please provide evidence on how these atrocities are being ignored. Because I can provide much evidence to the contrary that shows what steps the Church has taken to address the priest abuse scandal.
How can you claim to know of a Church or faith which you are no longer a member of? You have clearly fallen away from the Church and Catholic faith so for you to claim you know of what you speak is absurd. When and only when you return to the Church, help the faithful clear out the filth, help return the Church and its members to following Church Tradition, working to reform it from within and are not merely criticizing everything that the Church does from the outside then you will have a leg to stand on with your claim.
Chris said-Ok , then why fr decades have they refused?
Teresa, I have for many years debated not only my dad (a true Catholic) but also my Great Uncle who happened to be not only a Roman Catholic Priest and Pastor let alone a Canadian Chaplin and to top that all off if possibe he was a real (schooled) Theolegion.
When I speak on this subject I have no choice in honor Those men as no matter what they said, they demanded honesty out of me.
I w3iil not dissapoint them.
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